September 26, 2005
The
Ellettsville, Indiana, Town
Council met in regular
session on Monday, September 26, 2005, at the Fire Department Training and Conference
Room. Patrick Stoffers called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. Sandra Hash
led in prayer and William Evans led in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll Call: Members
present were Patrick Stoffers,
President; William Evans, Vice President; Lisa Creech and Phillip Rogers. Sandra Hash, Clerk-Treasurer and Mike Spencer,
Attorney were also present. Dennis Williamson was on vacation.
Supervisors Present: Jim Ragle, Rick Coppock, Jeff Farmer, Mike
Farmer, Mike Cornman and Frank
Nierzwicki were
present.
Approval of the minutes
William
Evans made a motion to approve the minutes for the regular meeting on September 12,
2005. Lisa Creech seconded. Motion carried.
Action to Pay Accounts Payable Vouchers
William
Evans made a motion to pay the Accounts Payable Vouchers. Lisa Creech seconded. Motion carried.
New Business
Capacity Certification/Allocation Letter
from Acme Development Corporation for Muirfield Subdivision Phase IV
Tyler
Doades, Smith Neubecker & Associates, Inc.
requested certification of flow for Phase IV of Muirfield Subdivision. There are 15 lots that are a continuation of
Phase III. It will utilize the low
pressure sewer system so that infiltration will not be a factor.
William
Evans made a motion to approve the Capacity Certification/Allocation Letter
from Acme Development Corporation for Muirfield Subdivision Phase IV. Lisa Creech seconded. Motion carried.
Edgewood Village III Final
Platt – Bledsoe, Tapp and Riggert
Frank
Nierzwicki, Director Planning Services, explained the Staff Report for Edgewood
Village Phase III. The Staff recommends
conditional approval of the Final Plat.
The petitioner has submitted a letter of credit to cover the public
improvements; top coat of asphalt on Mustang Drive, sidewalks and street trees
on the south side of Mustang Drive.
Before Town Council approval, the payment of the planning fee is also
required. He has met with the petitioner
who has agreed to work with the Town Engineer for a few months to ensure proper
drainage between the single family homes along Mustang Drive and adjacent homes along Reeves Road. The
petitioner has also agreed to erect a six foot, weather treated wooden fence
between the single-family homes along the same streets. The land use and street is consistent with
the outlined PUD. There are water and
sewer connections. No plans for a sign
have been submitted. Any proposed sign
will need the final approval of the Planning Department. A letter was sent to the adjacent homeowners
with a summary of these plans. Frank
mentioned he would answer any questions.
Bledsoe Tapp and Riggert were not present at the meeting. Williams Evans asked Frank what is his
opinion on this? Frank commented the
overall PUD was agreed to by Town Council in the 1990s. The information was laid out in detail what
the phases were going to be. He thinks
it is consistent from the PUD that was approved in the 1990s by Town
Council. Working with the neighbors, the
developer has made an effort to work on some timetables. Also some of the neighbors are concerned
about the development of this area. One
area is drainage between the homes and how that will work out. He is working with the developer and Rick
Coppock, the Town Engineer, to make sure the water drains to one of two onsite
detention areas. He will follow through
to make sure that is done. The neighbors
are also asking for screening between their homes and the new development. The developer has stated he is willing to put
up a six foot wooden fence as a screen.
Screening can be trees or other items.
A letter of credit is on file with us.
He will work with them in the future to make sure the phases coming in
are proper to the Town’s standpoint. He
does recommend approval. Patrick
Stoffers thanked Frank and asked for any public comment.
Gib
Fisher, homeowner of property behind development, stated this has been a four year
process of just letters with nothing being done. The letters are nice but there is no who,
why, when and where. He and his lawyer
would like to see an absolute timetable of when the fence will be put up. The trees were supposed to stay in and they were
cut down.
Lisa Ridge, resident 7200 W. Reeves Road, located at the end of
the development attended the meetings in
the late 1990 early 2000s and to her knowledge it was to be an over 55 years of
age housing. This is not the case and
this has not been enforced. Two weeks
ago a friend, not over 55, was called to rent there. The age is not enforced, the trees and the
privacy fence has not been enforced. The
cleaning up of the project and the drainage has not been enforced. At the September 6, 2001 meeting, it was agreed upon with Rex Voils that they
did not want a fence; they wanted to keep the trees. After reading the minutes and listening to
the tapes this past Friday in the Clerk’s office, this was agreed. Rex and Bledsoe Tapp were at this meeting. Her husband spoke with Rex and the excavator operator
on site and it was decided the trees would stay. They were just contacted about a lot of the
trees being taken down. She feels there
have been a lot of lies through this whole situation. She also feels the Council approves this by
not enforcing the rules. Lisa Creech
commented when all five members are not in agreement, the enforcement is not
possible. Lisa Ridge pointed out it was passed in the PUD the residents of
this new development are to be over 55.
It was passed in the minutes to accept this PUD. The stipulation, 55 and older, was passed by
the Council and they are not enforcing it.
If this is not enforced, why should she believe anything else will be
enforced? Patrick asked Lisa Ridge if the year was 2001 that she was referring too. Lisa replied she knows they are not the same
Board Members but feels they should take a stand. Sandra Hash clarified the September 6th
meeting was a Planning and Zoning Meeting.
Lisa Ridge added Rex was very nice and agreed to everything at
that meeting. He was willing to work
with everyone and the minutes do mention the development being over 55. Patrick Stoffers asked for any additional
comment.
Dick
Jackson lives on West
Reeves Road
and does not know Mr. Voils. There are
some units still under construction.
There are units that were just finished that have people living in
them. There are no yards. They have had all summer to get the yards
in. Mud has washed down on the
road. There is trash every where on the
road. It is like driving an obstacle
course. In July, fireworks were set off
back there. The 55 and older group was part
of the original deal and as far as he knows, it still is. The advertising on the construction trailer
and the sign near the road still says 55 and over. He doesn’t feel Mr. Voils has followed his
own rules and regulations that were set out in the beginning. He would like to see it enforced. Lisa Creech asked if anyone made a complaint
to Frank about the trash.
Russell
Ryle, neighbor on Reeves Road, has digital pictures of the problems Mr. Jackson talked
about going back eight years. This
project has been a nightmare since day one.
He recommends the Council not approve anything until the next
compliances are enforced and the other issues that have not been followed from
the previous phases are enforced. He
wants to know the Town’s legal liability if something else is approved. He would like to see a maximum of 60 days in
writing to have the grading completed and fence up. No occupancy permits should be issued until
this is done. The occupancy permits
should be in compliance with the existing requirements of 55 and older. If this is not done, he would like a public
explanation on why. He claimed tapes and
notes are missing from past meetings in 1994.
He would like an end to this problem, get things finished and would like
the enforcement.
Lisa
Creech asked Rick if it was a violation of Rule 5 for the grading not to be
completed within 30 days to prevent wash off.
W.R.
Dunn, owner of Phase III, is 68 years old.
He is on the north side of the road and this phase has nothing to do
with Reeves Road. This has been
approved in prior meetings for the condos and that is what he built there. There is one unit complete. The grading has been done and it will be
seeded in the near future. It has not
been 30 days since completion. The trees
the people are talking about are on the middle of the lots on the other side of
the road. One of the lots has been sold. Those trees do not affect the neighbors. The fence they are talking about is 30-50
feet behind that. There have been
agreements that Rex has made and he will see to it that it happens on some of
it. A fence will be built prior to any
occupancy permit given out. There has
been an agreement to a six foot fence.
He would rather have trees or a hedge put along the area because the
maintenance will be better for all the neighbors. Letters have been sent out and the majority
would like a fence. When construction is
finished and the final grade is done then the fence will be put up. Mr. Dunn asked what other complaints he needed
to address. Patrick mentioned the 55
year old age requirement. Mr. Dunn
responded he is 68 years old and there has not been a lot sold to anyone under 55 years of age. They have been rented to younger people. He
stated it does not say the condos can not be rented. William Evans asked if it was possible to get
together with the people and see what they would like to have done. Come to an agreement together on what the end
product should be. Mr. Dunn verified
that he only owns Phase III of this development. Frank stepped in to say he had meetings this
summer with neighbors and did a survey. The
majority of the people wanted a fence.
There were some people that wanted trees. The meeting was held in June or July. Frank followed up with the people that
attended the meeting. Mr. Dunn will put
in trees, hedges or a fence. Frank will
have another meeting, if that will help.
Mr. Dunn feels it would be easier to have it consistent for it to
work. He will put up whatever the people
would like. Rex Voils still owns the
other phases and he will go along with this also. Mr. Dunn is petitioning the north side of the
road.
David Ridge owns 7200 West Reeves Road on the end by the cul-de-sac. The trees are on the north side of his
house. After some of the trees were
taken out, he spoke with Mr. Voils and they agreed to leave what was left. Mr. Ridge said he did not want a fence since
the trees were staying. Mr. Dunn again clarified
he bought the 8 lots on the north side. Lisa Ridge added she listened to the minutes of September 6, 2001 (on Friday September 23, 2005) where Geraldine McIntyre addressed the issue of the
fence for the people before the construction was started. On the tape, Rex stated he didn’t think they
were supposed to put up a fence until the lots were sold. Geraldine was under the understanding that it
was to be put up immediately. On tape #2
of the 9-6-01 meeting, Rex
said “no problem, the fence will go up immediately and they would not have to
wait until a lot was sold”. Mr. Dunn
again added that he is petitioning for the north side of the road and not the
south side and he does not understand why this is coming into play with this
petition. Mr. Ridge clarified they are
not talking about Mr. Dunn and the north side of the road. The only problem they have with Mr. Dunn is
the over 55 rule and the loophole with renting.
He feels the Council needs to look at this. Mr. Ridge has seen young people and children
at the duplexes. Mr. Dunn does not deny
that he rents to young people.
Frank
clarified this summer when he became involved, there were strong feelings from
the development in this area. The tree
line is on a diagonal and some are in the middle of a lot. The lot can not be built on if the trees are
not removed. The owner of the lot does
have the right to build on it even if that means removing the trees. Frank will be working with the neighbors and
Mr. Voils to leave the trees at the end if they are not in the way of building
on those lots. He will be happy to work
out the arrangement.
Bob
Tatlock is the owner of 7330 West Reeves Road since 1986. He
had a pool installed by a previous employee of Rex Voils. Bob talked to Mr. Voils before he started the
project on Mustang
Drive. Mr. Voils said he was going to put in senior
citizen housing (55 and over) and there would be a buffer put in most likely a
fence except for the agreement he made with the Ridges. His concern is the original plan was strictly
owned by Voils. Now phase III is owned
by Mr. Dunn and has under 55 living there.
This will force him to put a fence around his pool to keep children
out. If the Town of Ellettsville passes something, the old and new members should
stand behind it regardless of who is on the Council. The development behind his house is a failure
and Mr. Voils’ credibility is not good. His
complaint is putting up his own fence if trees are put in and also allowing
people under 55 to move in.
Russell
Ryle mentioned the original minutes from the meeting
held between 1992 through 1996 have “mysteriously disappeared” in the Town
records. Some of the conditions to
approve this project were density, traffic volume and access. These were some of the reasons it was
restricted to 55 and over. It is also
his recollection when this was passed, that any deeds or subsequent sub selling
of any of this land would require a 55 and over covenant in the deed. This is something else that has fallen
through the cracks. There is a traffic
problem on Reeves
Road
especially with the schools and senior center.
There would be more cars if families moved in as opposed to seniors. This lot is not engineered for that
kind of traffic. There is no provision
in this plan for foot traffic. Mr. Dunn
will do a great job with his condo but this is the wrong project in the wrong
place unless you reauthorize and rework the master plan. He asked Frank what the design capacity is
for this development. The original plot was cut by twenty units because it did
not have the traffic capacity. Since the
original plot was approved, an access road was cut out. Mustang Drive was supposed to have an east
end road going back to Reeves Road. The road was eliminated
because it came out at the bottom of a hill.
He would like the Council to table any action until they are able to
look at the whole project for density, traffic volume, traffic safety and the
55 covenant.
Lisa Ridge mentioned again Mr. Dunn, in his own words, agreed to
honor all Rex Voils’ agreements. Does
this include renting to 55 and over?
Mr.
Dunn read the covenant and clarified “50 and over”. The covenant does not restrict renting to who
ever he wishes as long as the owner is
over 50. His attorney has reviewed the
information and agrees. The Council
approved the condos on the north side of the road. The final phase could not be approved until
the other condos were finished because Bledsoe Tapp needs to survey the lot line.
David Ridge asked the Council “do you think it is right that he
can buy something and then rent it out to young families when it was agreed
upon 50 and older”? He feels the Council
approved 50 and older and that is what they should up hold. Patrick commented that no one on the Council
has said anything yet. Lisa Ridge read
the minutes of the April 10, 2000 Town
Council meeting, Jewel Echelbarger commented “the reason for a changing of the
covenant and restrictions was in order to state the minimum age of 55 and
over”. Patrick said he could get a copy
of these minutes.
Dick
Jackson mentioned the builder is calling them “condos” but he calls them
“duplexes”. Mr. Dunn clarified they are
“condo duplexes”. Mr. Jackson says they
appear to look 20 years old from the looks of the construction even though some
are a couple of months or years old. If
you look at the location they are being built, it does not look good.
Sandra
Hash responded to the missing minute comment.
To her knowledge, there are no missing minutes. All the Town Council and Plan Commission
meetings are taped. Sometimes the tape
has not worked due to recorder problems.
None of the tapes have been destroyed.
She would assist anyone who comes to the Clerk’s office to look for minutes
in the books or to listen to the tapes.
Joyce
Jackson, resident 7310
W. Reeves Road
attended the meeting this evening to hear about the installation of a
fence. She would like the Town Council
to tell everyone tonight that they will not allow people 55 and over to buy the
property and rent to younger people. The
Town Council voted, passed an ordinance and to rent to 55 and younger would be
a disgrace to the judicial system of the Town.
Lisa
Creech advised Mr. Tatlock to look into the Indiana
State Law on having a privacy fence around swimming pools to protect
himself. She has also learned in the
past that verbal agreements do not hold water, especially in court; you should
have a written agreement. On the 55 and
over situation, she will have Mike Spencer look into it and see if there is a
legal loophole. She then gave an example
of a situation she felt violated the Open Door Law but after speaking with the
Indiana Public Access Counselor it was explained the Open Door Law was not
violated, but the “spirit” of the Open Door Law was violated. Explaining
when a law is made there is a certain understanding of what that law is. Such as when the law was made for 50 or 55
and older, it was not our belief that a 50 or 55 and older would buy the
property and rent to a younger person.
When we made the law we believed that people 50 or 55 and older were
going to buy the property and live there.
This has been the perception of numerous people who have come before the
Council. Her
opinion
is the “spirit” of that law has been violated because it was agreed upon when
it was approved with the age stipulation.
So to answer the question, yes she agrees with the public that the
spirit of the law is they should be of that age or older and not bought by a
person and rented to a younger generation.
She then explained she is one of five.
Just because this is her belief does not mean it is the belief system of
the rest of the Council. To take action requires
a quorum of three. She applauds everyone
for speaking out tonight on what you feel is right or wrong. This is part of what makes our
democracy. We will have to rely on Mike
Spencer and get his advice on where we stand.
Her opinion is the spirit of that law is being violated but whether it
truly is when it comes down to the law will have to be looked at.
William
Evans wants some time to research this because he was not on the Council
before.
Patrick
has heard enough consternation tonight and the meeting needs to continue. It would be his intent to table this to the
next meeting. Frank felt that tabling this to the next meeting was fine. He
will meet with the neighbors on the fence issue before the next meeting. He will work with them on the trees
also. If this is tabled, he will try and
have a meeting before the next Council meeting.
William
Evans made a motion that we table until the next meeting the Edgewood Village
III Final Plat – Bledsoe, Tapp and Riggert.
Phillip Rogers seconded. Motion
carried.
House of Prayer Heart a Fire Choir
request a Fund Raiser Road Block
No
one was present to talk about this.
Sandra explained she received a call from Martha Cornell who said she
would be at the meeting to represent the House of Prayer. Due to the gas prices, their plane tickets
have gone up. They had a road closure in
the past to raise money. Ms. Cornell did
not give any dates or written information.
No action was taken.
Smithville Telephone Tax Abatement
Compliance Statement of Benefits
Sandra
explained it is required when a Statement of Benefits is submitted the Council
should agree to their statement and acknowledges it with a signature on the
second page. No one from Smithville
Telephone was present to speak on the Compliance Statement.
William
Evans made a motion to approve the Smithville Telephone Tax Abatement
Compliance Statement of Benefits.
Phillip Rogers seconded. Motion
carried.
Application Letter to become members of
the Crane Federal Credit Union
Sandra
mentioned a fireman at Station 8 would like to become a member of the Crane
Credit Union on Curry Pike. The only
requirement is for the Town to submit a letter saying we would like to become
members of the credit union.
Lisa
Creech made a motion that we allow Sandy to write the application letter to become members of
the Crane Federal Credit Union. William
Evans seconded. Motion carried.
Privilege of the Floor – non Agenda
Items
Mike Cornman, speaking as a previous Town Council member, said
from August 1994 to the end of 2001 the Town of Ellettsville never violated the Open Door Law. Lisa Creech replied she has a letter from the
Public Access Counselor if he would like to see it. Mike Cornman declined.
Don Fisher followed up from the last meeting. A few items that he reiterated on were:
v Concerns of street situations.
v Water pipe repair on Sale and Vine Street.
v Communication between departments.
v Turn over of Council Members.
v Sign replacement.
v Brush removal and mowing.
v Resurfacing streets.
v Annexation.
v Gas prices.
Rescind Town vehicles for private use.
v Social agencies.
Supervisors Comments
Frank Nierzwicki will be sending out a letter to INDOT this week
regarding the fire station. Jim Davis,
Fire Chief, has asked him to look into yellow flashers on the highway to assist
the fire trucks out of the new fire station.
Jim would also like a stop light which Frank does not think they will be
able to get. To get a stop light, there
has to be warrants, which would be a number of vehicles going through an
intersection, according to the Municipal Code used throughout the United States. To have a
light only on when the fire trucks want to leave the building would be a problem
because people travel the highway all the time with no light. Then
when the light is on, they will not recognize it. Whenever a new signal is installed, there are
a number of days they will be flashing to let people know of the new
signal. His opinion is, it will be pretty
impossible to have a traffic light put in front of the fire station. Patrick asked Frank if he would like to
comment on any of Mr. Fisher’s statements.
Frank mentioned he and Laura have been through Town and have seen piles
of brush at different times but they do not seem to be out there very
long. It tends to disappear
quickly. There have been one or two
cases where he had to move a branch in the way. They are out quite a bit monitoring the
neighborhoods during the day. Patrick
mentioned he spoke with Frank the day he toured Arrowhead and he saw only two
piles of brush. From his standpoint, Jim
and his crew pick up fairly quickly. He
mentioned the article in the Herald-Times about the Town employee and the very
high level of dedication. He praised Jim
on the job he does. Patrick asked Frank
if he thinks the Street Department should stop picking up the brush as Mr.
Fisher states. Frank’s opinion is if it
becomes a burden, a fee should be charged or stop picking it up. In this Town,
he feels there is an expectation to have the brush picked up. This is a decision the Council will need to
make. The Town is growing, our responsibilities
are growing and the Council is doing a good job maintaining fiscal constraint on
the budget. All the department
supervisors probably need another person or two on their staff. What might help Jim’s department is having a
cycle schedule for picking up brush. He
originally understood the pick up was for storm damage items. It has gone beyond that. Lisa Creech feels it is to the point people are putting out items
that could go through the wood chipper.
She has discussed this with Jim before and suggested a schedule to
alleviate some of the work load on Jim’s crew.
She thinks they are working short handed and are stretched very
thin. A published schedule, like in Bloomington, might help.
Frank said they work 8-5 p.m. and feels they are making some headway on some of the violations. He has sent out over 80 letters since July 1st. Patrick mentioned 64 letters have been sent
to residents in Arrowhead in the 3rd quarter. Frank corrected him stating 22 letters were
sent to Arrowhead and 25 to Kelli Heights. He added
three driveway permits have come in and he is currently working with a couple
on a driveway permit. The enforcement is
working and he is keeping Laura very busy with letters.
Lisa Creech addressed the Public Access complaint; she was using
that as a parable. She reminded Mike
Cornman she was on the Council at the time that happened so she didn’t mean
that as a disparagement towards his time on Council since she did replace him
in the last election. She addressed the
brush issue with Jim on several occasions and hope they come up with a solution
in the near future. His men work very
hard. The next item that seems to come
before the Council over and over again is the lack of enforcement of the
laws. It comes in different areas and in
different packages. She came from the
Chamber of Commerce and has a mental picture of how Ellettsville should be with
neighbors helping each other, clean businesses every where and keep the Town
flourishing. It seems that it is
neighbor against neighbor anymore. She
thinks we still have a lot of work to go.
She feels she has tried harder than anybody to have the laws
enforced. She has spoke to the
Governor’s office trying to get the laws enforced in this Town. Something came to her at one of the last
meetings; she is fighting an uphill battle alone and if she didn’t like it then
she should put her house up for sale and move.
So she wants everyone to know that has come here tonight asking for the
laws to be enforced, she commiserates with you and she will try everything she
can. It is a very hard battle.
William Evans commented on some of Mr. Fisher’s statements. He drove though Arrowhead last weekend and
looked at some of the roads. He honestly
does not feel his road is any worse than some of the others. He then mentioned they can not give an exact
date on when the streets can be resurfaced.
There are many mitigating factors, giving weather as an example. He felt Mr. Fisher made a good point at the
last meeting regarding Jim
Ragle replacing a stop
sign that was down. He knows Jim will replace the other signs as
some point. Jim picks up the brush to
help the people when he can. We do pick
up after storms but he has done the rest to help out the people and he would
hate to see Jim chastised for a job he has done throughout the years because
most of the people in Ellettsville will tell you he has done a good job. As far as the mowing, if the Town contracts
that out, it will cost a great deal more than what we are paying now through
the Street Department handling it.
Don
Fisher asked to give a rebuttal and Patrick Stoffers told him “No, this is my
time”.
Patrick
Stoffers said Don brought up some good points.
He does not agree with him entirely.
Some are subjective in nature others are fairly objective. He feels our Town personnel do a very good
job at what they do. He does agree with
Don that a lack of personnel is an issue.
The gas price issue; a year ago today, gas was $1.90 per gallon. Today in Indiana it is $2.76 per gallon up 86 cents per gallon on a
composite of unleaded and diesel.
Combine that with the mathematicians in the Governor’s office who intend
to distribute to the Town in 2006, 97% of what the Town received in MVH money
in the first half of 2005 plus 96% of what the Town received in the second half
of 2004. The MVH fund is what funds the
entire operations of our Street Department.
Just with gasoline, you can see how the math does not work. The Town can not do what the Federal
Government does. The Federal Government
just borrows money. They sell $25
billion to Asia and keep writing checks. Someone will be paying for this down the
road. We do not have the luxury to do
this nor is there much sense in doing this.
With that, we work with what we have.
Jim Ragle does an outstanding job, is attentive to detail and
takes care of issues when they happen.
He will not debate whether a street sign needs to be replaced, he trusts
Jim Ragle’s judgment, or whether we get out of the mowing or
brush business we must do what is in our best interest. Could we do it better? If there were another three people working
for the Street Department. He does not
see how contracting an activity like mowing would save the Town any money. You would still be paying fuel and engage in
subsidizing their charges for liability insurance. When we address a property, we do file a
lien. We get reimbursed when we do an
activity at a residence. We don’t get
reimbursed tomorrow but we do get reimbursed.
As far as the Council turnover, if he had the clairvoyance to know when
somebody is going to resign from the Council, he would be king of the world if
he could see that. It is a non issue
because it is beyond his control. No one
knows what the outcomes of elections are going to be. The only things for certain are Council
Members do change. It is a learning
process for the first two years and then you decide whether to do this for
another four years. It makes it very
difficult. An example of this is the final plat approval that was brought
before the Board tonight, none of the current Council Members was in the loop
on that and now they have to address it.
As for the CCI (Cumulative Capital Improvement) fund, our basic rate for
2005 was $3.68. This is where the Street
Department raises money to make capital purchases. For 2006 the rate is going to be reduced to
$3.48 per capita. The math is upside
down in Indianapolis. He asked
Sandra what the levy cap for 2006?
Sandra answered 3.9%. This does
not give a lot of flexibility. Everyone
was committed to adding a full-time employee to the Street Department and when
it came down to it, the Town did not have the cash to back up the
appropriation. There are some
fundamental things that happen in State Government that affects everything we
do. In satire, he calls them
“mathematicians” meaning that in the worse sense. How can you operate and fund your MVH with 96
½ % of what you received two years ago?
With gas 86 cents per gallon higher today than a year ago. These are the kind of issues we have to deal
with. He thinks the world of Jim Ragle, Frank, the Farmer brothers, Ron McGlocklin and Jim Davis. These guys do
a great job. He expects them to continue
doing a great job. Does this mean we can
not do better? Of course not, we can
always do a little better than what we are doing now. He thinks Don’s comments suggest failure in
some regards and these people and this Council have not failed in their mission
to deliver services. With that, he
entertained a motion to adjourn.
Adjournment
Phillip
Rogers made a motion to adjourn. William
Evans seconded. Don Fisher stood up and
made some closing comments. He continued
to talk about the streets being destroyed.
He feels Benjamin Franklin would roll over in his grave by the way the
Council is managing the funds. He feels
they are a lame duck Council. He said
they are birds of a feather that flock together. There is a lot of talk and no action. He is walking out because he knows what he is
talking about. He sees it and the Council
is not doing anything about it. It is
not fair. It has nothing to do with the
supervisors. He wants to know why Jim
has not made a statement. He feels we
are adding services we have no manpower or money to provide. We can not take care of what we have. Building more properties, more
responsibilities with no accountability and no money to provide what you have
to do. The Council has to provide upkeep
of the streets. It is their
obligation. Does he need to get an
engineer, a petition and then a lawsuit?
This is not the way to do things.
He is an individual who is voicing out…we need action! We need to be restrained on how we spend our
money. He wants to see an action on
personal vehicle use. He feels the
Council is wasting money. He said they
can not defend that. This has nothing to
do with the tax payers’ money for services.
It is a perk. He feels the
Council lay off people and dump services.
He talked about the brush issue also.
Then the Street Department will have to borrow money for gas to make it
through the winter. You are robbing
Peter to pay Paul. You borrow through a
Social Security Fund to pay for something else.
That is how government works.
Patrick interrupted Don again. Lisa Creech said there is a motion on the table to adjourn. Patrick asked all those in favor. Motion carried.