The
Ellettsville, Indiana,
Town Council Members present were Dianna Bastin, President; David Drake,
Vice-President, Scott Oldham and Dan Swafford. Sandra Hash, Clerk-Treasurer; Mike Spencer,
Town Attorney and Rick Coppock, Town Engineer were present. Phillip Smith arrived at
Mike Farmer explained the purpose of tonight’s meeting. The Town Council approved the utility rate
and charge increases; it is important to move forward and implement these new
rates.
Ted Ferguson, Attorney for Eastern Richland Sewer Corporation,
submitted a draft of a proposed contract with respect to the phase in of the
flow rates. Language needs to be added
stating “we will pursue and use the procedure referred to as the thirty day
tracker application”. They have held off
filing this because they want to be relieved of the lawsuit they do not feel
they should be involved in where Northern sued the Town and the Town sued
Eastern. Mr. Ferguson believes Eastern
is ready to proceed with pursuing the amendment and getting the tracking factor
ready on the flow rate based on the understanding that the Town will dismiss
Eastern from the lawsuit. Mr. Ferguson
does not have any problems with Mike’s proposed amendments and will have a rate
consultant work on the application. The
proposed contract increasing the flow rates did not say “subject to the IURC
(Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission) approvals”. Mr. Ferguson needs to get a package together
and given to their rate consultant with the tracker application on file.
Mike Spencer, Town Attorney stated the contract did not allow for
getting an approval from the IURC. Ted
Ferguson has come back with a different proposal making the rate dependent upon
approval of the IURC but Mike Spencer suggested another option. The other option (needing approval by the
Council) would be getting an approval by the IURC but they would verify that
within one week from today’s date they will file for a thirty day tracker with
the IURC. This would incorporate some of
Mr. Ferguson’s and Mike Spencer’s language.
It is the same language Mike Spencer has used several months ago. The other issue is the good faith dismissal
of the lawsuit against Eastern. Mike
Spencer had a discussion with Mike Carmin on that issue; it is dependent upon
certain things in the Northern lawsuit.
Mike Farmer stated if they (Northern and Eastern) file with the
IURC within a week and assuming the IURC comes back in thirty days, the first
of May will be when they will get their approval. The Utilities Department will need a few
weeks to set up the software to accommodate their customers with the new rate
by May 24th for the June bills.
Richard Sanders, NRSC submitted a proposed contract amendment to Mike
Spencer quite some time ago with language in it saying it had to be
approved. Northern’s request for a rate
increase has to be approved by the IURC and they would not be prepared to pay
anything other than the contracted rate until the first billing period after
the IURC approved their request for the rate increase. NRSC has a rate consultant working for them.
Mike Spencer took the “language”, removed the business about being approved by
the IURC receiving approval and substituted it with a May 1st
date. NRSC can not comply with that
because they are under the IURC and they have to have approval from them before
they can change the rate. NRSC can not
afford to pay Ellettsville Utilities a rate without the approval from the IURC
for the rate increase.
Mike Farmer stated it is not uncommon for wholesale users to lag
behind the service provider who raises the rates. Everyone in the local area is wholesale users
of the City of
Richard Sanders does not see the Utilities Department “bearing the
brunt” themselves and that all three sets of customers are bearing it. He does not feel that it is fair the
Utilities Department is expecting the two wholesale customers to lose money for
two or three months because the Utilities Department does not want to lose
money. Mike Farmer stated this is why
NRSC needs to be in sync with what the Utilities Department is doing. Mr. Sanders can not be in sync because there
is a contract and the Utilities Department can not change contract laws because
they want a different date. Mike Farmer
believes the contracts states the rates can be raised.
Jeff Farmer would like to try a different approach. Find out what the difference is between the
contracts sent to Eastern. Mike Spencer
stated they are close to finalizing a contract with Eastern but it would
require the Town Council to back off a little bit on their motion on
Monday. Jeff clarified that if there is
an agreement with Eastern tonight; we may or may not meet the May 1st
billing, it will depend on the IURC. If
the IURC gets back with an answer in 30 days then the Utilities Department will
be right in line but if it takes 60 days they will be one month behind. There is still the notice requirement
too.
Ted Ferguson stated they are working on their end to complete
requirements with the applications.
Jeff Farmer said the ordinance was passed in January and it will
not go into effect until May. At some
point, the Utilities Department needs to move forward. If the two wholesale customers want to drag
their feet, the Utilities Department still needs to move forward.
Richard Sanders does not believe that everyone agreed to this, as Jeff
Farmer is stating. Passing an ordinance
does not change the contract. NRSC submitted
a proposed amendment to Mike Spencer.
They submitted their package and their application are being worked on
by a rate consultant. Mr. Sanders was
under the impression the Council was informed of the agreement between the
Utilities Department and the wholesale customers when the ordinance was
passed. There was no agreement. Jeff Farmer stated there was an understanding
the rate increase was fair and equitable for everyone.
Mike Farmer stated this is why we need to move forward because of
this impact and ambiguity on what and when anything will take place that will
allow us to move forward with the rates and provide service to our
customers. Mike Farmer felt it was
necessary to have this meeting.
Richard Sanders was under the understanding that Eastern wanted to be
sure they had approval from the IURC before they agreed to anything. Mike Spencer asked Ted Ferguson to show
Richard Sanders the contract he is proposing for Eastern so he can see the
language. Mr. Sanders said it was not
ambiguous, he clarified they were moving ahead with their request for the rate
increase and they would implement the first billing after receiving the
regulatory commission approval.
Curt Hayes, Eastern Richland Sewer Corporation Secretary made a general comment for those who
are newer to the boards. The old
contract was a good contract. It is in
place and still has years to go. There
are places in it to have rate increases.
The rates are going to go up due to treatment and maintenance. It is okay to have rate increases. It is wonderful there were not any increases
for ten years but that may have been too long.
Eastern is willing to present this to the State of
Dianna Bastin recessed the meeting to ask the Attorney a
question.
Dianna Bastin spoke with the Attorney and reviewed the language.
Dianna Bastin said (with the help of Mike Spencer) “the Ellettsville Town
Council would like to move that we rescind the order from Monday night
reference the due date for our Utility partners and then I make a motion to
approve this contract as amended with Eastern and all of our Board members have
had a chance to read it”. Scott Oldham
seconded. Roll call vote: Dianna Bastin – yes; David Drake – yes; Scott
The following discussion took place
before the vote
Dianna
explained a motion was made at the Town Council meeting Monday night for a May
1st deadline. May 1st
may not be timely for the “tracker”. We
still want to proceed as quickly as possible with the tracker which is what
Eastern is going to do. Mr. Ferguson
explained it might not happen by May 1st.
Richard Sanders stated NRSC informed Mr. Ferguson this is what they
were doing also when they gave him the proposed amendment. Dan Swafford is confused because he does not
know what either wholesale customer is wanting.
Ted Ferguson said we are moving towards this as a goal. It is his understanding the new rates have
not been implemented and there needs to be a date to implement the rate change
for the Town customers. Mike Farmer
would like to know when Eastern applies for the rate change so he can
anticipate software updates for the wholesale customers’ billing rates.
Curt Hayes asked if the members will receive proper
notification. Mike Farmer said this will
be discussed after the motion on the table is voted on.
Dianna Bastin clarified the Town Council rescinding the motion is a
“good faith act” for the contract she has from Eastern. Mike Farmer further explained they are
rescinding to proceed with the May 1st date (June 1st
billing). Dan Swafford asked at the
Monday night meeting when the wholesale customers would be able to bill their
customers so everyone starts on the same time and that is when the 30 day
tracker was placed. Mike Farmer stated
the May 1st usage is billed June 1st.
The
vote was now taken.
Dianna Bastin now moves that we accept an amendment to Sewage
Treatment purchase contract with Eastern Richland Sewer Corporation. (Dan
Swafford clarified we are voting on a contract between Eastern and Ellettsville
only). David Drake seconded. Roll call vote: Dianna Bastin – yes; David Drake – yes; Scott
The following discussion took place
before the vote
Curt Hayes asked Mr. Sanders if he looked at the rewording of the
Eastern and Ellettsville contract. Is it
something NRSC could be comfortable with presenting to the State of
The
vote was taken.
Mike Spencer stated there is still an issue with NRSC. They can be given a copy of the Eastern
contract and talk to their Attorney. The
contract with Eastern does not include the “billing”. Mike Spencer suggested to the Council to make
a motion “if NRSC submitted a contract that had the same language as the
Eastern contract they would approve that or if it were submitted within one
week, they would approve that”. Dan
Swafford clarified to Mr. Sanders NRSC is not bound to anything. NRSC can agree to the contract within a week,
send it to the Council and no other meeting is needed. If NRSC does not agree to the contract,
another meeting will be needed. David
Drake made the motion. Dan Swafford
seconded. Roll call vote: Dianna Bastin
– yes; David Drake – yes; Scott
Mike Farmer pointed out this is why the Council was asked to make
all the approvals at Monday night’s meeting to proceed.
The
vote was taken.
Curt Hayes stated that regardless of lawsuits, contracts and “all
the stuff coming down” whenever something costs more than what is taken in,
something has to change. When more money
is needed to treat the sewer, our accountants need to look at it, present it to
the public and make it happen. Eastern
has signed a good contract this evening to make it happen. Mr. Sanders reiterated NRSC sent Mr. Spencer
an amendment with the same figures in it.
Whether the language is identical or not in the two amendments, the
charge and amount they pay is the same.
Dan Swafford announced everyone present is representing and
protecting the customers. If we can not
provide a service for the customers, we would be lacking. No one is getting rich off of this. We are here to protect our customers. We need to be able to communicate between
each other.
Mike Farmer suggested “the next time we have to go through this, I
would like the other two boards to come back to us with suggestions on how to
start the process and what would make it come to a point at the proper time”.
Phil Schonhoff asked how long it will be before the next
increase. Dan Swafford stated all sewer
corporations need to work together and keep informed. Dan doesn’t know how long it will be. The Town included others, outside of Umbaugh,
to look at the books. It is not fair to
say there will be an increase in another ten years, it will happen as time goes
on. Mr. Schonhoff believes there are
“chartable increases”. He then asked who
decided on the water rate increase.
Jeff Farmer answered why the rates when up and how we can track what
will happen in the future. Jeff stated
the costs to run the waste water plant increased due to power, insurance and
all day to day costs rising. Sludge used
to be fifty cents a ton and is now $23 a ton to haul. To be responsible Utility Managers, they
should start looking at these costs every three years. Two years ago, the books were running “in the
black” they are now “running in the red”.
This does not take into consideration the “retirement of the debt”. The debt will be retired in another nine
years. The sewer plant is at 55% - 60%
capacity.
Mike Farmer stated the rate increases are “math”; there are no
secrets. There has been a lot of water
pipes laid and new fire hydrants installed.
The ten year old water tank needs some work; a $200,000 booster pump was
installed in Woodgate (for Eastern customers).
There
is a master plan available for anyone to review. The Utilities Department asked for a 27% rate
increase and the OUCC agreed to a 23.09% increase. It needs to go before a judge and then can be
put into effect in 30 – 60 days.
Phil Schonhoff, from a rate payers stand point, is there a way to
make the increases in increments. Jeff
Farmer stated the sewer increase will be done in two increments but not the
water. Mike Farmer said water increases
can not be done in increments because the water accounts are running too much
in the red. When the water tower was
built, they did not provide for future maintenance. Phil Schonhoff has noticed a lot of water
lines extended west of town. Mike Farmer
explained the master plan, that was developed thirty years ago, shows a loop
down Reeves and Starnes for future economic strength to develop a property that
will benefit everyone. The water line,
west of town, travels down to the
Barbara Davidson asked why so many reports are issued. Jeff Farmer explained the first report
(analysis conducted by Umbaugh) was based on the present flow rate. Not understanding the contracts, they were
asked to go back and put together another report. They used the old contracts, based on how many
Equivalent Dwelling Units (EDU) each entity was given back in 1997, when the
amendment was made to the contract. The
third contract was issued because the Equipment Replacement account was going
to be raised from $130,000 to $180,000.
Jeff looked at how this was going to affect the rates and he did not see
an immediate need for the money. All the
contracts were “tweaked” until there was a contract that was fair and equitable
to all customers. Ms. Davidson
questioned why some of the Umbaugh contracts were not signed and were stamped
“draft”. Why did Northern only get the
“draft” copies and not the signed one?
Mike Farmer stated all the “drafts” were for Northern’s information and
to keep them updated on what was going on.
Ms. Davidson did not get the explanation on what was current or what
ordered they were prepared. Mike Farmer
agreed this was the way it was handled and it has been a “lesson learned” for
the next time.
Mike Farmer, moving on to another issue, announced the billing
contract has not been updated in eleven years and the rate is $1.70. There are costs associated with wholesale
customers’ billing and service and Umbaugh indicated $2.95 (per customer) is
needed to “come out even”. The
difference is currently being passed on to Ellettsville customers. Mike has researched other utilities and found
they charge $1.70 just “for the reading”.
Nancy Elkins checked with stated Bean –Blossom Patricksburg (BBP) and
they charge 50 cents for the reading.
Mike Farmer stated “with that being said 50 cents does not get the bill
out the door”. There was discussion between Mike Farmer,
Richard Sanders and Nancy Elkins. Nancy
Elkins stated BBP sends a bill to Northern for $34.50 and was told Ellettsville
Utilities separates the charges. Mike
Farmer explained why the Utilities Department charges a per customer rate. The Utilities Department collects the data
for the usage, attributes it to the sewer, prepares the bills, sends out the
bills, handles customer service, collects the money and sends the money back to
the wholesale customers. Mr. Sanders
stated there are thirty customers on the water BBP water system; as an example
15 are on Ellettsville sewer and 15 are on Northern, Northern is being charged
for all 30. Mike Farmer said he should
have been told.
The
point of this meeting is the Utilities Department has costs associated with
billing wholesale customers that exceed what is being paid. The Utilities Department needs an increase
and they want to know what is needed to get the increase. Mr. Sanders asked “do the sewers charges for
preparing these bills include any charges related to reading the water
meters”? Mike Farmer stated that is part
of the study, the collections of information.
Mr. Sanders said if they are charging for the water meter reading on sewer
(only) customers they should not being doing that because it is a water
function.
Ted Ferguson interrupted the discussion and asked if there is
still something that needs to have action taken on this evening? Jeff Farmer suggested working with Eastern on
their contract and then Northern’s billing.
Curt Hayes stated if the Utilities Department needs more money
and it can be justified then it needs to be passed. The public has to have this service. The water meter needs to be read because there
are no sewer meters. Mr. Hayes does not
have a problem with the Utilities Department using the funds to read water
meters because it is more accurate for sewer billing.
Mr. Krohn said the only report Eastern had only showed the sewer
side and not the water side. It did not
show the split. Mike Farmer stated all
the information was sent to Eastern. The
information showed how the “meter reader” was paid for and the meters. Eastern talked about doing it
themselves. Mr. Krohn said Eastern
wanted to see the total cost on water and waste water and asked how that was
being split between the two utilities.
Curt Hayes suggested collecting all the information (meter reading,
equipment updating and treatment) from Ellettsville Utilities; present all the information
to Mr. Krohn to review and pass on to their board. They do not have all that information.
Ike Grimes stated Eastern presented a counter proposal. It was returned to them with the CPI
(consumer price index). They did not
want the CPI included.
Curt Hayes feels more comfortable discussing future price
increases than using a CPI. Their
contract included the prices for 2009 – 2011 with negotiations in 2012. Dan Swafford suggested that instead of
meeting with “partial boards” they should meet with all board members. The Council has discussed with two Eastern
board members at one time. Dianna Bastin
agreed everyone needs to keep track of each other meetings.
Mike Farmer stated if the CPI was taken out of the contract, the
water utilities would run in the red after this year with the increase in
everything else.
David Williby felt that $1.70 to $2.95 was excessive. Eastern
understands postage increases and employees get raises. They agreed before the CPI was put into the
contract. Rick Coppock explained the CPI
relieves them from having to renegotiate this every year. The CPI is 3%. The concern is signing a contract that looks
as though the Utilities Department can do whatever they want to every
year.
Marlena Allen is concerned with the cost of living sky rocketing;
she suggested figuring out what to expect the cost of living percentage to be
in three years rather than every year rate increase. It is time consuming to raise rates every
year. Her recommendation was to raise
the rates enough to cover a three year time period. Mike Farmer agreed and stated the Utilities
Department is currently “behind the curve” and trying to get caught up.
David Williby read the language from the agreement concerning the
increases. Mr. Sanders said Northern
would like to see specific data on the costs so the water and sewer customers
are not being billed for the same charges.
Northern would like to see all the charges associated with preparing,
collecting and distributing the bills.
Mike Farmer explained the same meter reader has been doing this for ten
years; the Utilities Department has spent money on technology to keep costs
down. Mr. Sanders argued this was a
water function. Mike Farmer asked Mr.
Sanders if he would like a flow meter installed for sewer.
Dianna Bastin asked Eastern if they are proposing to take out the
terms “CPI”. Mike Farmer agreed and
stated if the language solves it for three years. Curt Hayes thinks this is what should be
done; as prices go up then in a timely fashion the increases could be passed
on. When the next increase gets closer,
the Utilities Department will meet with Eastern board members as a work group
to share information.
Nancy Elkins does not want a contract where it could be raised
every year no matter what.
Mike Spencer reviewed the “general language” of the contract. His concern is that it has taken so long to
resolve these issues, if someone does not want to work towards a resolution, it
will not happen.
Dianna Bastin announced the attorney is reviewing the billing costs
with Eastern; they will make a copy and allow Mr. Ferguson to review it.
Dianna Bastin called a five minute recess.
Dianna Bastin announced Mr. Spencer and Mr. Ferguson have made some
changes to Mr. Williby’s document. They
have a billing agreement with Eastern beginning today (March 26, 2008). Dianna Bastin went over some of changes;
Eastern will pay the Town a base charge plus a postage charge for each of
Eastern’s customers for who the Town provides wastewater treatment services.
The rates for 2009 – 2011 are listed in the agreement. Beginning in 2011 and no more frequently
thereafter than two years since any prior increase or decrease in the base
charge, either party may request that the parties review the Town’s billing and
collection services to determine whether to increase or decrease the base
charge, or to change the billing methodology and to outsource some or all of
the billing procedure.
David
Drake made a motion we approve the amended Sewage Treatment Purchase Contract
(the billing contract) with
Dianna
Bastin asked for a motion to rescind Monday night’s vote. Phillip Smith motioned. Dan Swafford seconded. Roll call vote: Dianna Bastin – yes; David Drake – yes; Scott
Dianna
Bastin went back to the amendment for the Sewage Treatment Purchase Contract (the
billing contract) for a discussion.
Eastern is happy with the contract.
Roll call vote: Dianna Bastin – yes; David Drake – yes; Scott
Dan
Swafford asked Northern if they would like to use the same agreement. Richard Sanders would like to have time for
their legal representative to review it.
The entire Northern Board will meet to discuss it.
Mike
Farmer asked when the billing will take effect.
Mike Farmer understands Eastern will be doing a “tracker” for the rate
increase meaning no other costs will be added in. If Eastern does not use a “tracker” then they
will do “a full blown rate study”. Buzz
said they are doing both and the “tracker” forms are ready to file. The agreement goes into effect March 26th.
Mike
Farmer stated the rate increase will start May 1st instead of April
1st. They will expect to have
the same start date with Northern also.
Dan
Swafford made a motion the billing starts and is in effect May 1st;
the billing rate for our wholesale customers.
Phillip Smith seconded. Roll call
vote: Dianna Bastin – yes; David Drake –
yes; Scott
Richard
Sanders asked Eastern if they are prepared to “eat the increase” in billing
costs and is the Town expecting Northern to “eat the cost” also. The tracker can not be amended to include
costs. Jeff Farmer stated Ellettsville
has been eating the cost for several years.
Mike
Farmer appreciates everyone who attended the meeting this evening.
Dianna
Bastin told Mr. Williby that Town Council members will try to occasionally
attend Eastern’s board meeting.
Adjournment
Dianna
Bastin motioned to adjourn. David Drake
made the motion. Scott Oldham
seconded. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned 7:55 p.m.